The What, Why, and Wherefore, of this Web Site

(First a disclaimer: I do not necessarily agree with every thought in every article I have written and posted here. I edit them and re-edit them as my views change. So, the links that are here and the articles associated with the theme of this web site are not all embraced by myself, nor do those web sites, nor do the writers of those articles necessarily accept my views. So be warned.)

There is today a more virulent and consistent attack against the foundations of the Church then there was in the 1930s. It is my understanding that this is the result of erroneous traditions and absurdities found among those who call themselves Christian. In the 30s Hitler was gaining the confidence of the people of Germany.

There is today an emphasis on success and a de-emphasis on morality - first inside the Church - and following that example the same thing is happening in society and our government. This happened under Hitler. He was a tremendous success, for to long of a period of time..

The Media is controlled by those who have aspired to be up front on the stage. The "Show offs" are running the media. They are, by the influence of their carnal aspirations, liberals. They specialize in promoting feel good experiences. They themselves very often are obsessed by their own feelings and aspirations and seek things that make them feel good. In a general sense they are against being objective. Everything they process is filtered through their own perspective of what is right. (For them.) They now represent the successful class. This is the consequence of adulation of movie stars and the acceptance of their life style as being OK for them. Now it is OK for Church Leaders and for the President, etc. This influence has worked its way into every area of society. The art of persuasion and the art of entertainment represent the ultimate plateau of success. Bill Clinton's expertise and success in these areas portray the gullibility of our society. The evening news is accepted as being the truth by the majority.

These influences are not the underlying problem. There is something beneath this acceptance of fantasy and immorality.

It is my opinion that the Church gave up on educating people in the mid 1800s, and that this is a prominent underlying problem. There are other and even more serious problems, but Check this out by clicking on the following excerpt, for an article that supports this point.

("I agree that the church is mostly at fault. They turned the children over to the state back in the 1800's. Just think what our country would be like today if that had not happened!"  -

said byElizabeth Farah  who is co-founder of WorldNetDaily and serves as senior vice president of marketing. She is making a remark about a response she received about an article on home schooling.)

As the Church became accustomed to jokes, story telling and quick bible studies, entertainment very soon displaced education. In depth bible stories are boring? Teachings about our heritage and history are boring? So, we have looked to those leaders who could produce. Success is the name of the game, hence objective truth now takes a back seat.

Meanwhile the Church has grasped traditions and absurdities that have followed the unlearned for centuries.

What about "Creation?"

What about "The flood?"

What about "Original Sin?"

What about the "Godhead?" (The Trinity?)

What about "Salvation?"

What about "Free Will?"

What about "Christ's Return?"

What about the "End of the World?"

What about "Moral Law?" (The Ten Commandments?)

What about Churches that are incorporated as non profit?

Muslims, Jews, Atheists, Liberal Christians, and the Church in general are attacking the fundamentals of Christianity. They very often point to the absurdities found in the doctrines that are associated with this list.

Do you care? If not why not?

I care and this is why I have put up this web site. I am into promoting objectivity as best as I can. I believe that repentance is promoted by truth. I also believe that the Church is responsible for the conditions of this world. 

The Church has/is the long term Key to Peace.

Why I promote Moral Government. 

(Following this I outline my concerns about Preterism.)

First let me mention that I have fellowshipped the following - Nazarene, Methodist, Episcopal, Pentecostal Holiness, The Oneness Pentecostals, Assembly of God, etc. (I have also had some very open conversations/communications with other fellowships.)

I have reason to believe that each of these fellowships have a rich heritage relative to the Moral Government position. However, it is my understanding that in many cases these fellowships have stopped short of accepting the depth and practicality found in many of the  views embraced by adherents to MG. 

Then in other ways some of these listed fellowships have surpassed them both in experience, and in certain areas of doctrine. 

Moral Government, to my way of thinking, holds a key to the advancement of the Gospel and to the future success of the Church and the stability of World government and the peace of this world.

Moral Government teaches us that God has equipped humans for interacting with Him and with each other, properly, or morally.

It teaches us that everything we see and experience in this life is the result of the unmerited favor of God.

This includes our physical life, His giving the Law through Moses, and providing Christ's life death and resurrection, for our salvation.

The absence of teaching MG has weakened the influence of the Church on their environment. This lack has also weakened our Churches, the structure of our families, our communities, etc.

It is the preaching of MG, (holiness), that has been credited for being a tremendous motivation in almost all Revivals, or awakenings.

Many who espouse MG do not believe in the continuation of the Gifts past the end of the first century. The same can be said for most Preterists. However, I do believe in their continuation

Several of the many aspects of MG are found here and via links to other web sites.


What about Preterism?

The definition is found here in various articles, and via links to other web sites. 

I would say here that any view the teaches in any sense that Christ is not here is undermining the Gospel. (St. John. 3.)

To teach that this physical world is to be destroyed is contrary to God's will, and promotes lethargy in the end. 

In Matthew 25, lethargy is taught as being something that would produce a very evil result.

All Views that teach that in some sense Christ is yet to come, and that He will then judge this world, and create a new situation, promotes lethargy, and is contradictory of His own words.



Moral Government and Preterism are united in optimism. 

Moral Government and Preterism are in agreement in their stand against lethargy, but this agreement does not extend far enough beyond this area, for the most of their adherents.

Calvinism is well represented among those who are called Preterists, especially those who are Partial Preterists.

Those who promote the Moral Government view are most often not Calvinists.

There are many Reformed Calvinists who are decidedly holiness people, but who are not associated with the, so called Holiness movement. They so love God that they obey him and run from sin and hate it.

Many who embrace the Moral Government view were previously Calvinists. Very few are Preterists.

Many Full Preterists are promoting obedience as being essential, to our being an effective witness, and also teaching that there can be no lasting progress without it, yet they do not embrace MG, to say the least.

There needs to be adjustments made in both views, 

It is my understanding that these views hold the keys to the victory of the Church, here.

The Church is never to look at the world and blame them for their lethargy. The Church is never to make excuses for their failure to disciple the people of this world. The Church is never to teach the people to expect to always be sinning. 

The morality of this world hinges on the strength of the Church, relative to holiness. It is the Church that must repent when they walk away from optimism and morality. The sinner or immorality in society is not the problem. It is sin in God's people that must be dealt with.

(This is only my opinion?)

The continuation of the gifts, especially speaking in other languages, and prophesy, are not accepted by many who accept these two views. Of course there are many other Christians who also do not accept the continuation of these gifts past the end of the First Century.

   Here is an article that expresses my support for the continuation of the gifts, etc.

  Miracles and the End...  

I have referred to the terrible conditions in Africa. Why is this happening?

For over one hundred years Christian missionaries have went to Africa. According to these texts Christianity has converting power and staying power.

Matt 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.  19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.  (KJV)

Romans 5:19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.  20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound: 21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord. (KJV)

Matt 28:18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen. (NKJ)

There are many other texts that point to the tremendous power resident in Christianity. However, in each mention it should be remembered that God's promises are conditional. So, if Africa, the United States, Russia, and the like have had tremendous effort spent in their behalf by ministers of the Gospel, where are we to look to find out why there is such an absence of character and such growth of all that represents repression and evil superstition? Why the devastation?

This web site is dedicated to answering that question.

It appears to me to be without question that evil backwardness among those who have heard the gospel is the result of the absence of teaching both that Jesus is here and that we must be obedient. Preterism and Moral government. The absence of these two essential approaches to Christianity wrack havoc on God's people and the world in general.

When liberty becomes license, dictatorship is near Will Durant

I will let the articles speak for themselves.

Vern Manson

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  Vern's Peacekey home page

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